KEY TAKEAWAYS FROM HH HARIVILAS MAHARAJ’S MORNING BHAGAVATAM CLASS ON SB 2.1.25:
- In the Bhagavad-gītā, it has been proven that the original transcendental and eternal form of the Lord is Śrī Kṛṣṇa, the Absolute Personality of Godhead, but by His inconceivable internal potency, ātma-māyā, He can expand Himself by multifarious forms and incarnations simultaneously, without being diminished in His full potency.
- Lord Kṛṣṇa, manifested His virāṭ-rūpa just to convince the less intelligent class of men, who cannot conceive of the Lord as appearing just like a human being, that He factually has the potency of His claim to be the Supreme Absolute Person without any rival or superior.
- The virāṭ-rūpa was particularly exhibited by the Lord just to give lessons to such foolish men so that one can accept a person as the incarnation of Godhead only if such a person is able to exhibit such a virāṭ-rūpa as Lord Kṛṣṇa did.
- There is lot more to the material world than one can perceive. This universe, as well as many other hundreds of thousands of universes, are each covered by sevenfold material coverings of water, fire, air, sky, ego, noumenon and material nature, just like a huge football, pumped and covered, floating on the water of the Causal Ocean, wherein the Lord is lying as Mahā-Viṣṇu.
- All the universes in seed are emanating from the breathing of the Mahā-Viṣṇu, who is but part of a partial expansion of the Lord, and all the universes presided over by the Brahmās vanish when the Mahā-Viṣṇu withdraws His great breath. The material worlds are being created and vanished by the supreme will of the Lord.
- The materialistic person may concentrate his mind upon the virāṭ or gigantic form of the Lord in his own interest and as recommended by Śukadeva Gosvāmī, but he must be on his guard not to be misled by pretenders who claim to be the identical person as Lord Kṛṣṇa but are not able to act like Him or exhibit the virāṭ-rūpa, comprehending the whole of the universe.
- Māyāvādī sannyāsīs address each other as Nārāyaṇa. Whenever they see another sannyāsī, they offer him respect by calling oṁ namo nārāyaṇāya (“I offer my respect unto you, Nārāyaṇa”), although they know perfectly well what kind of Nārāyaṇa he is.
- Nārāyaṇa has four hands, but although they are puffed up with the idea of being Nārāyaṇa, they cannot exhibit more than two.
- Since their philosophy declares that Nārāyaṇa and an ordinary human being are on the same level, they sometimes use the term daridra-nārāyaṇa (“poor Nārāyaṇa”), which was invented by a so-called svāmī who did not know anything about Vedānta philosophy. (Vivekananda).
- Therefore although all these Māyāvādī sannyāsīs who called themselves Nārāyaṇa were actually unaware of the position of Nārāyaṇa, due to their austerities, Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu enabled them to understand Him to be Nārāyaṇa Himself.
- “Unless one associates with a pure devotee, he cannot be influenced to understand devotional service.” These Māyāvādī sannyāsīs were fortunate enough to meet the Supreme Personality of Godhead in the form of a devotee, and certainly, they were greatly influenced by the Lord
- A highly realized person never says anything that has no meaning. Māyāvādī philosophers claim to be the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and this has no meaning, but Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu never uttered such nonsense. The Māyāvādī sannyāsīs were convinced about His personality, and therefore they wanted to hear the purport of Vedānta philosophy from Him.
- Daridra Narayana, Guru Sakshad Hari, Manava Seve Madhava Seva, God cannot be known, God is Arupam – These are all false premise theories by Mayavadis. They use a series of verses from Bhagavadgita, Srimad Bhagavatam, and other scriptures and misinterpret the meanings to give their own interpretation of these theories. People who never studied Bhagavad Gita, Srimad Bhagavatam, believe this and go along with them.
CLASS NOTES:
SB 2.1.25 TRANSLATION
The gigantic universal form of the Personality of Godhead, within the body of the universal shell, which is covered by sevenfold material elements, is the subject for the virāṭ conception.
LORD HAS MULTIFARIOUS OTHER FORMS, AND ALL OF THEM ARE IDENTICAL WITH THE ORIGINAL FOUNTAINHEAD FORM OF THE LORD, ŚRĪ KṚṢṆA
In the Bhagavad-gītā, it has been proven that the original transcendental and eternal form of the Lord is Śrī Kṛṣṇa, the Absolute Personality of Godhead, but by His inconceivable internal potency, ātma-māyā, He can expand Himself by multifarious forms and incarnations simultaneously, without being diminished in His full potency. (Param brahma, param dhama…. Arjuna, Narada, Bhishma, many others have accepted Krsna is the original Supreme Personality of Godhead) He is complete, and although innumerable complete forms emanate from Him, He is still complete, without any loss. That is His spiritual or internal potency. (Alternate Translation of Om purnamidam….)
THE LORD MANIFESTED AS VIRAT RUPA TO SHOW THAT FACTUALLY HAS HAS THE POTENCY OF HIS CLAIM TO BE THE SUPREME ABSOLUTE PERSON WITHOUT ANY RIVAL OR SUPERIOR.
In the Eleventh Chapter of the Bhagavad-gītā, the Personality of Godhead, Lord Kṛṣṇa, manifested His virāṭ-rūpa just to convince the less intelligent class of men, who cannot conceive of the Lord as appearing just like a human being, that He factually has the potency of His claim to be the Supreme Absolute Person without any rival or superior.
Prove to me that God is everything. I do not accept Vaikunta, Goloka… People cannot accept the little blue boy is the supreme God, all this is fantasy, I do accept there is a higher energy that encompasses everything. To who says this, we can show Virat Rupa. These atheistic people only believe in matter. The sum total of all the matter is Virat Rupa.)
THE MATERIAL WORLDS ARE BEING CREATED AND VANISHED BY THE SUPREME WILL OF THE LORD.
Materialistic men can think, although very imperfectly, of the huge universal space, comprehending an innumerable number of planets as big as the sun. They can see only the circular sky overhead, without any information that this universe, as well as many other hundreds of thousands of universes, are each covered by sevenfold material coverings of water, fire, air, sky, ego, noumenon (imperceptible things, electromagnetism, BG 7.2, both phenomenal and numinous, Srila Prabhupada explains that not only that there is a visible part of the universe, but there is part of the universe that we can’t see. There is a lot more to understanding Krsna than people can even imagine.) and material nature, just like a huge football, pumped and covered, floating on the water of the Causal Ocean, wherein the Lord is lying as Mahā-Viṣṇu. All the universes in seed are emanating from the breathing of the Mahā-Viṣṇu, who is but part of a partial expansion of the Lord, (Krsna, Balaram, 1st Chaturvyuha, Narayana, 2nd Chaturvyuha, Maha Vishnu, Garbodakasaya Vishnu, Ksirodakasayi Vishnu…..) and all the universes presided over by the Brahmās vanish when the Mahā-Viṣṇu withdraws His great breath.
ONE CAN ACCEPT A PERSON AS THE INCARNATION OF GODHEAD ONLY IF SUCH A PERSON IS ABLE TO EXHIBIT SUCH A VIRĀṬ-RŪPA AS LORD KṚṢṆA DID.
The poor foolish materialist can just imagine how ignorantly he puts forward an insignificant creature to become His rival incarnation, simply on the allegations of a dying man. The virāṭ-rūpa was particularly exhibited by the Lord just to give lessons to such foolish men so that one can accept a person as the incarnation of Godhead only if such a person is able to exhibit such a virāṭ-rūpa as Lord Kṛṣṇa did. The materialistic person may concentrate his mind upon the virāṭ or gigantic form of the Lord in his own interest and as recommended by Śukadeva Gosvāmī, but he must be on his guard not to be misled by pretenders who claim to be the identical person as Lord Kṛṣṇa but are not able to act like Him or exhibit the virāṭ-rūpa, comprehending the whole of the universe. (SB 2.1.24 – other reference)
Paundraka acted like Narayana by pasting two more arms. There are others who say they are God, but only have two arms. One should ask them to show the all-encompassing Virat rupa to be declared as God. Srila Prabhupada is giving us this knowledge on how to bring Atheists and Asuras to Krsna Consciousness
The impersonalists, demons, atheists, if they do not want to see Krsna or Narayana, they can see the God encompassing the whole universe, the Virat rupa. They will eventually get to understand Krsna. Let them meditate on the Virat Rupa.
The Mayavadis started by putting Lord Caitanya by putting him on the defensive side. By telling Him that He is not being a proper sanyasi because he is chanting and dancing like a sentimentalist. They say real sanyasi studies Vedanta. Lord Caitanya convinces them why he is chanting and dancing by saying that His guru thought He was a fool and he cannot study Vedanta and just chant and dance. He does it with a very sweet speech and beautiful form. Speech is the number one quality by which you can judge a person. He brings them on his side by humility, sweetness, Sastric evidence…
CC ADI 7.99: After hearing Lord Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, all the Māyāvādī sannyāsīs were moved. Their minds changed, and thus they spoke with pleasing words.
CC ADI 7.105: “Dear Sir, by Your influence our minds are greatly satisfied, and we believe that Your words will never be unreasonable. Therefore You may speak on the Vedānta-sūtra.”
In this verse, the words tomāra prabhāve (“Your influence”) are very important. Unless one is spiritually advanced he cannot influence an audience. Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura has sung, śuddha-bhakata-caraṇa-reṇu, bhajana-anukūla. “Unless one associates with a pure devotee, he cannot be influenced to understand devotional service.” These Māyāvādī sannyāsīs were fortunate enough to meet the Supreme Personality of Godhead in the form of a devotee, and certainly, they were greatly influenced by the Lord. They knew that since a perfectly advanced spiritualist never says anything false, all his words are reasonable and agree with the Vedic version. A highly realized person never says anything that has no meaning. Māyāvādī philosophers claim to be the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and this has no meaning, but Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu never uttered such nonsense. The Māyāvādī sannyāsīs were convinced about His personality, and therefore they wanted to hear the purport of Vedānta philosophy from Him.
Govinda Bhasya is the commentary on Vedanata Sutra by Vaishnavas. There is no need for commentary, but they do so as they have to refute Sankaracharya’s commentary.
CC ADI 7.101: “Dear Sir, there is no objection to Your being a great devotee of Lord Kṛṣṇa. Everyone is satisfied with this. But why do You avoid discussion on the Vedānta-sūtra? What is the fault in it?”
CC ADI 7.102: After hearing the Māyāvādī sannyāsīs speak in that way, Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu smiled slightly and said, “My dear sirs, if you don’t mind I can say something to you regarding Vedānta philosophy.”
CC ADI 7.103: Hearing this, the Māyāvādī sannyāsīs became somewhat humble and addressed Caitanya Mahāprabhu as Nārāyaṇa Himself, who they all agreed He was.
Māyāvādī sannyāsīs address each other as Nārāyaṇa. Whenever they see another sannyāsī, they offer him respect by calling oṁ namo nārāyaṇāya (“I offer my respect unto you, Nārāyaṇa”), although they know perfectly well what kind of Nārāyaṇa he is. Nārāyaṇa has four hands, but although they are puffed up with the idea of being Nārāyaṇa, they cannot exhibit more than two. Since their philosophy declares that Nārāyaṇa and an ordinary human being are on the same level, they sometimes use the term daridra-nārāyaṇa (“poor Nārāyaṇa”), which was invented by a so-called svāmī who did not know anything about Vedānta philosophy. (Vivekananda). Therefore although all these Māyāvādī sannyāsīs who called themselves Nārāyaṇa were actually unaware of the position of Nārāyaṇa, due to their austerities Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu enabled them to understand Him to be Nārāyaṇa Himself. Lord Caitanya is certainly the Supreme Personality of Godhead Nārāyaṇa appearing as a devotee of Nārāyaṇa, and thus the Māyāvādī sannyāsīs, understanding that He was directly Nārāyaṇa Himself whereas they were false, puffed-up Nārāyaṇas, spoke to Him as follows.
Shringeri temple, Keshava Bharati took sanyaas from them. They are treated like God. The spiritual master is treated as God. God in the flesh. The spiritual master is Sakshad Hari. They study the Sarira Bhashya by Sankaracharya.
Daridra Narayana – was introduced by Swami Vivekananda and Gandhi popularized it.
What is the scriptural reference… They take a verse from Srimad-Bhagavatam: SB 3/29… they misinterpret. Just because Paramatma in everyone’s heart, everyone is a God. Atma becomes Paramatma. Because it is nice to think that way. But yet, they are doing this. Dummies who never studied SB go along with them.
I am present in every living entity as the Supersoul. If someone neglects or disregards that Supersoul everywhere and engages himself in the worship of the Deity in the temple, that is simply imitation.
One who worships the Deity of God in the temples but does not know that the Supreme Lord, as Paramātmā, is situated in every living entity’s heart, must be in ignorance and is compared to one who offers oblations into ashes (Reference:http://gitabase.com/eng/SB/3/29)
Swamiji says the same thing in His famous poem translated as: To a Friend:
These are His manifold forms before thee,
Rejecting them, where seekest thou for God?
Who loves all beings without distinction,
He indeed is worshipping best his God.
Sri Bhagavan also orders to prostrate before all beings in Srimad-Bhagavtam.
‘Sarvam Vishnumayam Jagat’ (Everything in this world are a manifestation of Lord Vishnu), ‘Yatra yatra jivas tatra tatra Shivah’ (Every being is a manifestation of God) are very well-known sayings. The Destroyer has also mentioned ‘Manava-seva is Madhava-Seva’.
In other scriptures, like Gita and Viveka-Chudamoni also, seeing God in all beings and working for the welfare of all beings are highly praised. For example,nthe Gita says:
MANAVA SEVA MADHAVA SEVA:
everyone is misinterpreting this. They did it through multiple misinterpretations of Bhagavadgita, Srimad Bhagavatam, Shiva purana. This is very clever and demoniac. This diminishes Krsna to nothing. This shows how people misinterpret things and create a false premise.
People who usually pass along like GOD. They let their disciples believe it.
When disciples start saying things, if the guru does not stop them, that means he is bogus.
GURU IS SAKSHAD HARI:
In the Spiritual master prayers, it says Guru is Sakshad Hari – That does not mean Guru became God. If he represents the same words as Krsna and Acharya, he should be given the same respect as God, but that does not mean he is equal to God.
Prabhupada has gone through great effort to smash all these false premise theories.
GOD CANNOT BE KNOWN:
That means He cannot be known through speculation but can be known through Acaryas.
GOD IS ARUPAM:
that does not mean he has no form. He has no material form, he has spiritual form. We should listen to the Goswamis’ explanations. Srila Prabhupada says it in BG 7.7
(BG 7. 7) GOD IS ARUPAM
The impersonalist, however, argues on the strength of the Vedic version given in the Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad (3.10): tato yad uttara-taraṁ tad arūpam anāmayam/ ya etad vidur amṛtās te bhavanti athetare duḥkham evāpiyanti. “In the material world Brahmā, the primeval living entity within the universe, is understood to be the supreme amongst the demigods, human beings and lower animals. But beyond Brahmā there is the Transcendence, who has no material form and is free from all material contaminations. Anyone who can know Him also becomes transcendental, but those who do not know Him suffer the miseries of the material world.”
The impersonalist puts more stress on the word arūpam. But this arūpam is not impersonal. It indicates the transcendental form of eternity, bliss and knowledge as described in the Brahma-saṁhitā quoted above. Other verses in the Śvetāśvatara Upaniṣad (3.8–9) substantiate this as follows:
“I know that Supreme Personality of Godhead who is transcendental to all material conceptions of darkness. Only he who knows Him can transcend the bonds of birth and death. There is no way for liberation other than this knowledge of that Supreme Person.
“There is no truth superior to that Supreme Person because He is the Supermost. He is smaller than the smallest, and He is greater than the greatest. He is situated as a silent tree, and He illumines the transcendental sky, and as a tree spreads its roots, He spreads His extensive energies.”
From these verses, one concludes that the Supreme Absolute Truth is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is all-pervading by His multi-energies, both material and spiritual.
MAYAVADIS PUT WORDS OUT OF CONTEXT,
How the Mayavadis can manufacture meanings, how the dummies go along with it. That is why translate BG & SB and he wanted to Translate Vedanta Sutra. The Mayavadis misquote from BG & SB.