KEY TAKEAWAYS FROM HH HARIVILAS MAHARAJ’S MORNING BHAGAVATAM CLASS ON SB 2.9.35 – Part 3:
- “Krsna is the substance, and everything is emanating from Krsna by Krsna s energy. Water is one of Krsna’ s energies, but that energy is not the Absolute Truth. Water is always a liquid, but that is relative truth. Absolute Truth is one.”
- “Foolish people say that a flower is created by nature, but in fact the flower is growing due to the energy of Krsna. His energy is so perfect that He doesn’t have to take a brush and canvas and try to paint a flower like an artist. The flower appears and grows automatically. Krsna is so powerful that whatever He desires immediately happens.”
- “The Supreme Lord impregnates matter, prakr:ti, by glancing at her. In the material world, one has to impregnate by the sexual process, but in the Vedas it is stated that Krsna impregnated the total material energy simply by His glance. This is due to His omnipotence. When Krsna throws His glance toward material nature, material nature is immediately activated, and events begin to happen. So the original cause of the creation is Krsna’s glance. Materialists cannot understand how Krsna can set material nature into motion just by glancing at it, but that is due to their material conception.”
- “We understand from Brahma-samhita that Krsna is within the atom. That is Krsna who is the substance, the summum bonum. He is smaller than the smallest, and is within everything. That is His all-pervasive nature.”
- “Every individual soul is awarded a portion of independence because each is part and parcel of God. Thus he has the quality of independence, but in minute quantity. That is his individuality. We consider the atom to be the smallest particle of matter, but we say that Krsna is the force within the atom. Leibnitz is suggesting that some force or power exists, but we are directly saying that the force or power is Krsna.”
- Syamasundara dasa: How is each Krsna different? How is it He is an individual in each of the atoms?
- Srila Prabhupada: Why is He not an individual? Krsna is always an individual. He is always a person, the Supreme Person, and He can expand Himself innumerably. Syamasundara dasa: And is Paramatma a person?
- Srila Prabhupada: Yes, every expansion is a person. We are all atomic expansions of Krsna, and we are all individual persons. Paramatma is another expansion, but that is a different kind of expansion
- Syamasundara dasa: And is Paramatma a person?
- Srila Prabhupada: Yes, every expansion is a person. We are all atomic expansions of Krsna, and we are all individual persons. Paramatma is another expansion, but that is a different kind of expansion.
- Syamasundara dasa: Is the jivatma, the individual soul, also a person?
- Srila Prabhupada: Yes. If he were not a person, then how would you account for the differences? We are all different persons. You may agree with my opinion or not, but in any case you are an individual. Krsna is also an individual. Nityo nityanam. There are innumerable individual souls, but He is the supreme individual person.
- Syamasundara dasa: So we have no free will?
Srila Prabhupada: Not without the sanction of Krsna. Without Him, we cannot do anything. Therefore He is the ultimate cause.
Syamasundara dasa: But I thought you have been saying that we have a little independence. Srila Prabhupada: We have the independence in the sense that we may deny or affirm, but unless Krsna sanctions, we cannot do anything. - You cannot consider the body and soul as completely separate entities working independent of one another. It is stated in the Vedic sastras that the soul is the master of the body; therefore you cannot say that the body is working independently.
- The soul is different from the body, but the body is manifest due to the soul’s desire. The body is the instrument of the soul.
- Both Krsna and the living entity are spiritual. Ultimately, everything is spiritual because everything is Krsna’s energy. If Krsna is the original cause, matter can be changed into spirit, and spirit into matter. Electricity may be used to heat or to cool, but in either case, the original energy is electricity. Similarly, the original cause is Krsna; therefore He has the power to change matter into spirit, or spirit into matter.
- If everyone becomes Krsna conscious and acts according to the instructions of Krsna, this hellish world will become the city of God.
- we can realize this city immediately if we come to the proper consciousness that this planet does not belong to any particular nation but to God Himself.
- If everyone abides by the orders of God, and everything produced is divided among the sons of God, there is no question of scarcity. Since people are denying the actual fact that everything belongs to God, and since they are hoarding goods, there is scarcity.
- If people want to remain in animal consciousness, they will continue to suffer. Once they come to Krsna consciousness, they will realize the city of God, even within this material world.
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Syamasundara dasa: Leibnitz would call this type of truth conditional truth.
Srila Prabhupada: That conditional truth is not the truth. For instance, the living entity is trying to become master of the material world. He thinks, “I am monarch of all I survey.” That is not the truth. The truth is that he is the eternal servant of God. You cannot say that because he is trying to imitate God that he is God. There cannot be a second God. God is one, and that is the Absolute Truth. Our point is that we do not accept the proposition that truth is two. There are relative truths, but Krsna is the Absolute Truth. Krsna is the substance, and everything is emanating from Krsna by Krsna s energy. Water is one of Krsna’ s energies, but that energy is not the Absolute Truth. Water is always a liquid, but that is relative truth. Absolute Truth is one. Leibnitz should more precisely say that there is Absolute Truth and relative truth, not that there are two types of truth.
Syamasundara dasa: According to Leibnitz’s law of continuity, everything in nature goes by steps and not leaps. In other words, there are no gaps in nature. Everything is connected, and there is gradual differentiation.
Srila Prabhupada: No, there are two processes: gradual and immediate. Of course, in one sense everything is gradual, but if the gradual process takes place quickly, it appears immediate. For instance, if you want to go to the top of the building, you can go step by step, and that is gradual. But you may also take an elevator, which may take just a second. The process of elevation is the same, but one takes place very quickly, and the other is gradual. Foolish people say that a flower is created by nature, but in fact the flower is growing due to the energy of Krsna. His energy is so perfect that He doesn’t have to take a brush and canvas and try to paint a flower like an artist. The flower appears and grows automatically. Krsna is so powerful that whatever He desires immediately happens. This process is very quick, and it appears to be magical. Still, the process is there
There is only one absolute truth, anything else is relative truth..
BG 9.8
Refutes darwin’s theory
The different species of life are created immediately along with the universe. Men, animals, beasts, birds – everything is simultaneously created, because whatever desires the living entities had at the last annihilation are again manifested. It is clearly indicated here by the word avaśam that the living entities have nothing to do with this process. The state of being in their past life in the past creation is simply manifested again, and all this is done simply by His will. This is the inconceivable potency of the Supreme Personality of God. And after creating different species of life, He has no connection with them. The creation takes place to accommodate the inclinations of the various living entities, and so the Lord does not become involved with it.
Syamasundara dasa: Leibnitz sees in nature a combination of forces or activities at work. According to the law of motion, there is an uninterrupted series of regularly progressive changes in a body as it moves. If a ball rolls along the floor, it goes progressively, without gaps or sudden changes.
Srila Prabhupada: I explained that. The complete motion is part of the same process. However, the ball has no power to move of itself. If you push it in one way, it will roll slowly, and if you push it in another way, it will roll quickly. All these wonderful processes are happening in material nature due to the will of the Supreme. The process takes place automatically, but it is initially pushed by God, who created this material nature. In the beginning, material nature was unmanifest. Gradually, the three qualities or modes came into being, and by the interaction of the modes, many manifestations arose. First there was space, then sky, then sound, one after another. Kg;l)a’s push is so perfect that everything comes into being automatically in perfect order. Foolish people think that everything comes about automatically without an initial push, without a background. Therefore they think there is no God. This cosmic manifestation has not come about automatically. Krsna is the creator, and He gives nature its original purpose. A potter may make a clay pot on a wheel, but the wheel is not the original cause of the pot. It is the potter who gives force to the wheel. Foolish people think that the wheel moves automatically, but behind the wheel’s movement there is the potter who gives it force. There is no question of nature creating independently. Everything results from God, Krsna. As soon as you speak of a process, you imply that everything is linked together, that one event follows another. That is nature’s way. The first creation is the mahat-tattva, the sum total of material energy. Then there is an interaction of the three gunas, qualities, and then there is mind, ego, and intelligence. In this way, creation takes place. This is explained in the Second Canto of Srimad-Bhagavatam. The Supreme Lord impregnates matter, prakr:ti, by glancing at her. In the material world, one has to impregnate by the sexual process, but in the Vedas it is stated that Krsna impregnated the total material energy simply by His glance. This is due to His omnipotence. When Krsna throws His glance toward material nature, material nature is immediately activated, and events begin to happen. So the original cause of the creation is Krsna’s glance. Materialists cannot understand how Krsna can set material nature into motion just by glancing at it, but that is due to their material conception.
Syamasundara dasa: Leibnitz says that space and time are mere appearances and that the ultimate reality is different.
Srila Prabhupada: The ultimate reality is Krsna, sarva-karana karanam (Brahma-samhita 5. 1), the cause of all causes. Syamasundara dasa: Leibnitz calls the ultimate entities monads. The word “monad” means “unity,” or, “oneness.” He says that the stuff out of which even atoms are made are all monads, the ultimate particles.
Srila Prabhupada: That small particle is not final. Within that particle there is Kn;>I)a. AT}qiintara-stha-paramiiT}u-cayantara-stham (Brahmasamhita 5. 35).
Syamasundara dasa: Leibnitz says that these monads are individual, conscious, active, and alive, and that they range in quality from the lowest type (matter) through the higher types, such as souls, to the highest, which is God.
Srila Prabhupada: Does he state that within the atom there is the soul?
Syamasundara dasa: His theory is that even the atoms are composed of these monads, which possess activity, consciousness, individuality, and other inherent qualities. The monad is the force or activity that constitutes the essence of a substance.
Srila Prabhupada: We understand from Brahma-samhita that Krsna is within the atom. That is Krsna who is the substance, the summum bonum. He is smaller than the smallest, and is within everything. That is His all-pervasive nature.
Syamasundara dasa: Then how are the individualities accounted for?
Srila Prabhupada: Every individual soul is awarded a portion of independence because each is part and parcel of God. Thus he has the quality of independence, but in minute quantity. That is his individuality. We consider the atom to be the smallest particle of matter, but we say that Krsna is the force within the atom. Leibnitz is suggesting that some force or power exists, but we are directly saying that the force or power is Krsna.
Syamasundara dasa: But he says that the force or power in each atom is individual, separate, different.
Srila Prabhupada: Yes, that is so. By His omnipotence, Krsna can expand Himself in innumerable forms. Advaitam acyutam anadim ananta rupam (Brahma-samhita 5.33). The word ananta means unlimited, and it is clearly said aryqiintara-stham: He is within the atom.
Syamasundara dasa: Is he within each atom as an individual entity different from every other entity?
Srila Prabhupada: Yes. If Krsna is there, He is individual. There are varieties of atoms, and sometimes they are combined together.
Syamasundara dasa: How is each Krsna different? How is it He is an individual in each of the atoms?
Srila Prabhupada: Why is He not an individual? Krsna is always an individual. He is always a person, the Supreme Person, and He can expand Himself innumerably. Syamasundara dasa: And is Paramatma a person?
Srila Prabhupada: Yes, every expansion is a person. We are all atomic expansions of Krsna, and we are all individual persons. Paramatma is another expansion, but that is a different kind of expansion.
Syamasundara dasa: Is the jivatma, the individual soul, also a person?
Srila Prabhupada: Yes. If he were not a person, then how would you account for the differences? We are all different persons. You may agree with my opinion or not, but in any case you are an individual. Krsna is also an individual. Nityo nityanam. There are innumerable individual souls, but He is the supreme individual person. Now Leibnitz may say that within the atom there is a monad, or whatever-you could call it by any name you want-but within the atom the force is Krsna.
Syamasundara dasa: Leibnitz maintains that the lowest type of monad is found within material atoms, and then they progress to higher monads, which are souls.
Srila Prabhupada: Directly we say Kr�pa, and that is automatically spiritual.
Syamasundara dasa: He says that each monad has an inner or mental activity, a spiritual life. Srila Prabhupada: As soon as we say Krsna, we include everything.
Syamasundara dasa: So even within material atoms, there is a spiritual life, a spiritual force? Srila Prabhupada: Yes, force means spiritual force.
Syamasundara dasa: He says that all bodies are ultimate quantums of force, and that the essential nature of all bodies is force.
Srila Prabhupada: Yes, that force is the spiritual soul. Without the spirit soul, the body has no force. It is a dead body.
Syamasundara dasa: But even within the dead body there are forces. There is the force of decomposition. 194 DIALECTIC SPIRITUALISM
Srila Prabhupada: Kn>l)a is within the atom, and the body is a combination of so many atoms; therefore the force for creating other living entities is also there even in the process of decomposition. When the individual soul’s force is stopped within a particular body, we call that body a dead body. Still, �l)a’s force is there because the body is a combination of atoms.
Syamasundara dasa: He says that what is manifested to our senses, what occupies space and exists in time, is only an effect of the basic nature, which is transcendental to the physical nature. Physical nature is just an effect of a higher nature.
Srila Prabhupada: Physical nature is a by-product. As I have explained, according to your desire, you receive or create a body. Physical nature is subservient to the soul. Syamasundara dasa: According to Leibnitz, these monads create bodies.
Srila Prabhupada: Yes, at the time of death, you think in a certain way, and your next body is created. Therefore you create your next body according to your karma.
Syamasundara dasa: But does the monad of a hydrogen molecule, for instance, create its own body? Does it only accidentally become part of a water molecule?
Srila Prabhupada: Nothing is accidental.
Syamasundara dasa: Then does it also desire to become a water molecule? Does the hydrogen desire to combine with oxygen and become water?
Srila Prabhupada: No. The ultimate desire is of Krsna. If you take it in that way, Kn>l)a is within every atom, and therefore Kn;l)a wants whatever is to be. Therefore He wills that these two elements become one, and therefore the molecules combine to create water, or whatever. Thus there is a creation, and again there is another creation, and so on. In any case, the ultimate brain governing all creation is Kfi?l)a.
Syamasundara dasa: But does the hydrogen molecule have an independent desire?
Srila Prabhupada: No, because Krsna is within the atoms, they combine. It is not that the atoms as matter are individually willing to combine; rather, because Krsna is within the atoms, He knows that by certain combinations, certain creations will result.
Syamasundara dasa: But does the individual soul have a little independence to choose? Srila Prabhupada: No. Bhagavad-gitii states that when the individual soul wants to act, Krsna gives the orders. Man proposes, and God disposes.
Syamasundara dasa: So we have no free will?
Srila Prabhupada: Not without the sanction of Krsna. Without Him, we cannot do anything. Therefore He is the ultimate cause.
Syamasundara dasa: But I thought you have been saying that we have a little independence. Srila Prabhupada: We have the independence in the sense that we may deny or affirm, but unless Krsna sanctions, we cannot do anything.
Syamasundara dasa: If we desire something, we take a body because of that desire. Now, can a hydrogen molecule desire to become a part of water and be given a body accordingly? Does it have the independence to desire something?
Srila Prabhupada: As far as we understand from the Vedas–a7J-qiintarastha paramiiTJ-u-cayiintara-stham (Brahma-samhitii 5.35), Krsna is within the paramatma. It is not stated that the soul is within the paramanu.
Syamasundara dasa: Then the individual soul is not present within the atom?
Srila Prabhupada: No. But Krsna is present.
Syamasundara dasa: Then Leibnitz’ s view does not accord with the Vedas?
Srila Prabhupada: No.
Syamasundara dasa: Is this because he states that in matter there is also this kind of individuality?
Srila Prabhupada: That individuality is in Krsna. As I have stated, Krsna knows that a certain element will be formed when so many atoms combine. It is not the individual soul enacting this, but Krsna Himself directly.
Syamasundara dasa: But when we refer to the living entities, the individual soul is also there? Srila Prabhupada: Yes, the individual soul is within the body. Both are present within the body: Krsna and the individual soul.
Syamasundara dasa: According to Leibnitz, substance is defined as being capable of action. Srila Prabhupada: Substance is original, and extensions are categories. Since substance is the original cause, He is completely able to act. To be means to act. Without activity, what is the meaning of existence?
Syamasundara dasa: Leibnitz states that the monads change in their appearance because their inner desire compels them to pass from one phenomenal representation to another.
Srila Prabhupada: The monad does not change, but the mind changes. At any rate, I do not know what Leibnitz means by monads. He is simply complicating matters.
Syamasundara dasa: By definition, the monad is a small unit, a unity, which is the substance behind everything, even the atom.
Srila Prabhupada: That is Krsna. Krsna is fully independent.
Syamasundara dasa: Yet Leibnitz says that a monad changes his appearance according to his desires.
Srila Prabhupada: That is the case for the individual souls, but Krsna is not like that. Krsna is acyuta. He does not change. It is Krsna who creates the entire cosmic energy. By His plan and devices, so many creations are divided into different parts, and they change. Material objects change according to the will of God, Krsna These individual monads are more precisely the Supersoul existing within matter, within the atom.
Syamasundara dasa: Leibnitz would say that each particle of Supersoul, or each monad, is self-contained, that there is no loss or gain of force.
Srila Prabhupada: Yes, each is eternal.
Hayagriva dasa: Concerning the relationship between the soul and body, Leibnitz writes: “Insofar as the soul has perfection and distinct thoughts, God has accommodated the body to the soul, and has arranged beforehand that the body is impelled to execute its orders. ”
Srila Prabhupada: Yes, it is explained in Bhagavad-gita(18.61) that the body is like a machine. Because the soul wants to walk or move in a certain way, he is given this instrument. The soul has particular desires, and God gratifies these desires through His material agent, a particular type of body. Therefore there are birds flying, fish swimming, animals hunting in forests, men in cities, and so on. According to Padma Purana there are 8,400,000 different bodies created to gratify the desires of the soul. Thus the machine of the body is supplied by nature under the orders of God.
Hayagriva dasa: For Leibnitz, in that the soul is perfect, it controls the body. However, “insofar as the soul is imperfect and its perceptions are confused, God has accomodated the soul to the body, in such a sort that the soul is swayed by the passions arising out of corporeal representations.”
Srila Prabhupada: Yes, it is explained in Bhagavad-gftii that the soul in the material world is influenced by the three modes of material nature. na tad asti pr:thivyiim vii divi deve�u vii puna�], sattvam prakr:ti-jair muktam yad ebhilj, syiit tribhir gu7J-ailj, “There is no being existing, either here or among the demigods in the higher planetary systems, which is freed from the three modes of material nature. ” (Bg. 18. 40) He receives a particular type of body according to his position in respect to the modes. If his appetite is insatiable and his eating indiscriminate, he receives the body of a pig. If he wants to kill and eat bloody meat, he gets the body of a tiger. If he wants to eat Krsna prasiidam, he is given the body of a briihmaf}a. Thus we receive different types of bodies according to our desires. People attempt to gratify their desires because they think that by doing so they will be happy. Unfortunately, people do not know that they will be happy only by completely abiding by the orders of God. Krsna comes personally to request the living entity to abandon his material desires and act according to God’s orders.
Hayagriva dasa: In Monadology, Leibnitz writes: “The soul changes its body only gradually and by degrees, so that it is never deprived of all its organs at once. There is often a metamorphosis in animals, but never metempsychosis or transmigration of souls.”
Srila Prabhupada: What is his understanding of the soul?
Hayagriva dasa: He believes that it is not possible for souls to be entirely separate from bodies. For living entities, a body must always accompany the soul.
Srila Prabhupada: According to Vedic understanding, the body changes, but the soul remains eternal. Even in one lifetime we can see that our material body is changing from childhood to youth to old age, yet the soul remains the same. When the body dies, the soul takes on another body. This is the first lesson of Bhagavad-gftii. If the soul is distinct from the body, it is nonsensical to say that a soul cannot exist without a body.
Hayagriva dasa: Leibnitz elaborates on this: “There is, strictly speaking, neither absolute birth nor complete death consisting in the separation of the soul from the body. What we call birth is development or growth, and what we call death is envelopment and diminution.”
Srila Prabhupada: But that is the process of transmigration. Why does he deny it? The diminution is temporary. The living entity is not dead; he goes on to develop another body.
Hayagriva dasa: He seems to be saying that as soon as the human soul leaves the body, it must immediately enter another body.
Srila Prabhupada: Yes, that is the case, but that is the process of transmigration. So why does he deny transmigration?
Hayagriva dasa: Well, he denies the existence of the soul apart from some form of material body. He writes: “God alone is wholly without body.”
Srila Prabhupada: Yes, that is, He has no material body. He does not transmigrate. According to Bhagavad-gftii, muqhas, fools, consider K�va’s body to be like that of a human being. avajiinanti miim muljhii miinu�im tanum iiSritam param bhiivam ajiinanto mama bhuta-mahe5varam “Fools deride Me when I descend in the human form. They do not know My transcendental nature and My supreme dominion over all that be. ” (Bg. 9. 1 1) Krsna does not change His body as an ordinary living entity does. He is the Supreme Person. Because He does not change His body, He remembers everything in the past. When we receive a body, we do not remember our past lives, but Krr;>J)a remembers because His body never changes. God is without a body in the sense that He has no material body.
Syamasundara dasa: According to his doctrine of pre established harmony, Leibnitz likens the soul and the body to two perfectly synchronized clocks, both going at the same speed but both separate.
Srila Prabhupada: Yes, the soul is different from the body, but the body is manifest due to the soul’s desire. The body is the instrument of the soul. Syamasundara dasa: Does the body ever affect the soul?
Srila Prabhupada: The soul is unaffected by the body, but the body is helping the soul to fulfill its desires. I am using this microphone to serve my purposes, but this microphone is not influencing me. It is not that this microphone wills that I dictate this or that. The body is a combination of atoms. If Krsna is within the atoms, the monads of the atoms and the monad in the body are different. If the monad is a small united particle, Leibnitz is speaking of the Supersoul. Although the Supersoul appears innumerable, it is in actuality one. As stated in fsopani�ad:
yasmin sarviir]-i bhutiiny
iitmaiviibhud vijiinatal],
atra ko mohal], kal],
soka ekatvam anupa5yatal],
“One who always sees all living entities as spiritual sparks, in quality one with the Lord, becomes a true knower of things, and there is no illusion or anxiety for him.”
(fsopan4ad 7) Although we find the Supersoul all-pervasive, there is but one.
Krsna says in Bhagavad-gitii: samam sarve�u bhute�u ti�thantam parame5varam vina5yatsv avinasyantam yal], pasyati sa pasyati “One who sees the Supersoul accompanying the individual soul in all bodies and who understands that neither the soul nor the Supersoul is ever destroyed, actually sees.” (Bg. 13.28) The devotee always sees all things in Krsna, and Krsna in all things. That is the true vision of oneness.
Syamasundara dasa: Leibnitz believes that God creates the principle of preestablished harmony, that He sets the two clocks in motion and synchronizes them. The body is acting, but the soul is independent. It is not really affected by the body.
Srila Prabhupada: We also agree to that, but why use the example of clocks? Why not analyze the relationship between the body and the soul? You cannot consider them separately, because they are combined. The fallacy of this analogy is that two individual clocks are not combined at any point.
Syamasundara dasa: The common point is their synchronization.
Srila Prabhupada: But eventually one clock will go faster than the other. You cannot consider the body and soul as completely separate entities working independent of one another. It is stated in the Vedic sastras that the soul is the master of the body; therefore you cannot say that the body is working independently. If I tell my body to place this hand here, my hand will move to this spot. It is not that suddenly my hand moves without my desire.
Syamasundara dasa: Leibnitz would say that the act of your desiring and the act of the hand moving are simultaneous but separate.
Srila Prabhupada: In Sanskrit, this argument is called kakatalryanyaya. Once, when a crow flew into a tal tree, the fruit on that tree immediately fell to the ground. One observer said that the crow lighted on the tree first, and then the fruit fell, and the other observer said that the fruit fell before the crow could light. This kind of argument has no value. We say that if Krsna So desires, a stone can float on the water, despite the law of gravitation. Although the law of gravitation is working here, there are so many huge planets floating in space. All these laws act according to Krsna’s desire. By the law of gravitation, all these planets would have fallen into the causal ocean and hit the Garbhodakasayi�J)U in the head because He is lying on that ocean. But by His order all these planets are floating in space. Similarly, if God so desires, a rock may fall into the water, but the water will not give way. The rock will simply float. Since God is the ultimate monad, this is possible. Whatever God wills will come into effect.
Syamasundara dasa: Leibnitz admits that the monads are spiritual in nature and therefore immortal.
Srila Prabhupada: Yes, we agree to that. Both Krsna and the living entity are spiritual. Ultimately, everything is spiritual because everything is Krsna’s energy. If Krsna is the original cause, matter can be changed into spirit, and spirit into matter. Electricity may be used to heat or to cool, but in either case, the original energy is electricity. Similarly, the original cause is Krsna; therefore He has the power to change matter into spirit, or spirit into matter.
Syamasundara dasa: He states that unlike the other monads, God is absolute necessity and eternal truth, and He is governed by the law of contradiction. That is to say, it is impossible to conceive of no God.
Srila Prabhupada: The atheists say that there is no God, although God is there. Unless God is there, where is the idea of God coming from? The atheist refuses to accept God. Similarly, the impersonalists refuse to accept a Supreme Personality of Godhead. Unless the idea of personality is there, how can they consider God to be impersonal? All this is due to frustration.
Rithvik philosophy – Frustration that some disciples declare themselves to be equal to Srila Prabhupada and they fell down. They came up with a different theory of Rithvik philosophy.. When SP was not well he appointed Rithviks a brahmanas who did the ceremonies on his behalf.
Frustration – atheists, buddhists, impersonalists, rithviks.. All came up with theories due to frustration.
Hayagriva dasa: Leibnitz pictures a city of God very much like that of Augustine. He writes: “God is the monarch of the most perfect republic composed of all the spirits, and the happiness of this city of God is His principal purpose. “
Srila Prabhupada: Yes. If everyone becomes Krsna conscious and acts according to the instructions of Krsna, this hellish world will become the city of God.
Hayagriva dasa: Leibnitz further writes: “We must not therefore doubt that God so ordained everything that spirits not only shall live forever, because this is unavoidable, but that they shall also preserve forever their moral quality, so that His city may never lose a person.”
Srila Prabhupada: Yes, this is V aiku�tha consciousness. As stated in B hagavad-gita: avyakto’�ara ity uktas tam ahul], paramam gatim yam prapya na nivartante tad dhama paramam mama “That supreme abode is called unmanifested and infallible, and it is the supreme destination. When one goes there, he never comes back. That is My supreme abode.” (Bg. 8. 21) That spiritual sky, or city of God, is well known to Vedic students.
Hayagriva dasa: Leibnitz did not believe that the city of God is divorced from the natural world. In Monadology, he writes: “The assembly of all spirits must compose the city of God, that is, the most perfect state possible and of the most perfect of monarchs [God]. This city of God, this truly universal monarchy, is a moral world within the natural world, and the highest and most divine of the works of God. “
Srila Prabhupada: Yes, and we can realize this city immediately if we come to the proper consciousness that this planet does not belong to any particular nation but to God Himself. If people accept this principle, the entire world will become the city of God. Presently, the United Nations is attempting to settle all the problems of the world, but the leaders themselves have an animalistic mentality. They are thinking, “I am this body, I am American, or Indian, or whatever. ” People must give up these designations and understand their real identity as part and parcel of God. The entire planet belongs to God. We are His sons, and it is possible for us to live peacefully understanding that our Father is supplying us everything. If there is scarcity, it is due to improper distribution. If everyone abides by the orders of God, and everything produced is divided among the sons of God, there is no question of scarcity. Since people are denying the actual fact that everything belongs to God, and since they are hoarding goods, there is scarcity. If people want to remain in animal consciousness, they will continue to suffer. Once they come to Krsna consciousness, they will realize the city of God, even within this material world.
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Syamasundara dasa: Leibnitz also states that the world could have been otherwise if God so desired, but that He chose this particular arrangement as the best possible.
Srila Prabhupada: Yes, God can do as He likes, but this world was not exactly planned by God. It is given to the living entities who want to imitate God. The plan is shaped according to the desires of the living entities who want to lord it over material nature. This is not God’s plan. This material world is like a prison supported by the government because there are criminals. It is God’s plan that all the living entities in the material world give up their striving and return home, back to Godhead.
Syamasundara dasa: But from the standpoint of the ingredients of this world, is this the best possible world?
Srila Prabhupada: The spiritual world is the best possible world. This planet earth is not a very good planet; there are many other planets even in the material world thousands of times better. The higher you go in the planetary systems, the more comforts and amenities you find. The next planetary system is a thousand times superior to this one, and the planetary system above that is a thousand times superior still. In Brahmaloka, the highest planet, twelve hours of Brahma’s day are beyond our comprehension.
Syamasundara dasa: Leibnitz accepts the conditions of this material world as being the best we can hope for, the best of a bad bargain.
Srila Prabhupada: But Bhagavad-gftii states that this is a place of misery: iibrahma-bhuvaniil lokiil], punar iivartino’rjuna miim upetya tu kaunteya punar janma na vidyate “From the highest planet in the material world down to the lowest, all are places of misery wherein repeated birth and death take place. But one who attains to My abode, 0 son of Kunti, never takes birth again.” (Bg. 8. 16) This place is meant for suffering. We cannot stay here for very long, even if we agree to stay in such an uncomfortable situation. We have to change our body and go to a higher or lower situation. On the whole, material life is miserable. There is no question of happiness.
Syamasundara dasa: He also states that because there is more good than evil in this world, the creation of this world is justified.
Srila Prabhupada: Well, there is good and evil according to our angle of vision. A devotee sees this material world as good. In the material world, people are always complaining and are in a distressed condition, but a devotee sees that there is really no distressed condition. Everything is happiness because he lives with Krsna. Because he dovetails everything with Krsna, including himself, for him there is no misery.
Syamasundara dasa: He also says that if the world had not been worth creating, God would not have created it. The fact that He created it makes it worth creating.
Srila Prabhupada: Yes, that is stated in the Vedas: mh purryam adal], purryam idam purryiit purryam udacyate purryasya purryam iidiiya purryam evavasi�yate “The Personality of Godhead is perfect and complete, and because He is completely perfect, all emanations from Him, such as this phenomenal world, are perfectly equipped as complete wholes. Whatever is produced of the complete whole is also complete in itself. Because He is the complete whole, even though so many complete units emanate from Him, He remains the complete balance. ” (isopani�ad, Invocation) The creator is complete, and the creation is also complete. Nothing incomplete can be created by the complete. In that sense, everything that is wanted in this world is here. The arrangement is complete.