Tag: BG 9.30

KEY TAKEAWAYS FROM HH HARIVILAS MAHARAJ’S MORNING BHAGAVATAM CLASS ON SB 2.8.7:

• Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is the science of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and as such, all questions that may arise in the mind of a serious student must be cleared by the statements of the authority.
• A person on the path of devotional service may inquire from his spiritual master all about the spiritual position of God and the living beings. 
• In the process of devotional service, the first step is to take shelter of the spiritual master and then inquire from the spiritual master all about the process. This inquiry is essential for immunity to all kinds of offenses on the path of devotional service. 
• The spiritual master must also be well versed and learned so that he may be able to answer all these inquiries from the devotees.
• One who is not well versed in the authorized scriptures and not able to answer all such relevant inquiries should not pose as a spiritual master for the matter of material gain. It is illegal to become a spiritual master if one is unable to deliver the disciple.
• Nitya-siddha means one who has no chance to forget Kṛṣṇa. 
• Sādhana-siddha means one has forgotten Kṛṣṇa. That is the position of all materialistic men. Every one of us, forgotten. But even though forgotten, the thing is there. It has to be awakened only. And the awakening process is hearing.
• Anyone who has forgotten Kṛṣṇa somehow or other—the cause may be so many—but if he is given chance to hear about Kṛṣṇa… Śṛṇvatāṁ sva-kathāḥ kṛṣṇaḥ. As soon as somehow or other one begins to hear about Kṛṣṇa… Either by his natural inclination or by chance or any way, he comes to hear about Kṛṣṇa, attempts hearing about Kṛṣṇa, then, Kṛṣṇa is within everyone’s heart, Paramātmā, so Kṛṣṇa helps him immediately.
• Bhajana means serving the Lord. So bhajatām, one who is engaged always, twenty-four hours he’s engaged, in that stage, Kṛṣṇa becomes is very pleased upon you = “No, now he has taken to My service. He’s engaged twenty-four hours. All right, let him give some instruction.”
• So Kṛṣṇa is within you.One profit is, by hearing about Kṛṣṇa, he becomes gradually sinless, simply by hearing. Unless we are sinful, we don’t come into the material world.
• So we have to become sinless before going back to home, back to Godhead. Because God is pure; the kingdom is pure. No impure living entity can enter there. So one has to become pure. 
• So this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is that once he’s given chance to erase all the sinful activities and keeping himself intact—no illicit sex, no intoxication, no meat-eating, no gambling—if we follow this regulation, then after initiation all my sins are washed off. And if I keep myself in that washed-off position, then where is the question of becoming sinful again?
• Once washed off, now keep yourself in that washed-off condition. That is required.
  So that will be possible if you keep yourself constantly in touch with Kṛṣṇa by hearing about Him. That’s all. You have to remain uncontaminated. 
• When one comes to the understanding that “I am eternal servant of Kṛṣṇa, God, and my only business is to serve Him,” that is called mukti.
• When we become engaged in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, this sense gratification business ceases.That is the test how you are becoming advanced in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. 
• The chanting of Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra is the business of liberated soul, not for the conditioned soul. But even in our conditioned life we chant, we become gradually purified.Therefore it is recommended that everyone should chant.
• Chanting the holy name of the medicine for the Bhava – Roga (means again and again taking birth) – cycle of birth and death. But the medicine is very pleasing. 
• It is very easy, even children can take up chanting of the holy name of the lord. 
• it is pleasing, even to the ordinary man..
• For philosophers it is also pleasing
• So either one is killing himself or killing animals, such a person cannot understand about the glories of the Lord.
• BG 9.30, 31. 32  are the dispensation verses given by Krsna. These verses show how kind Krsna is, how merciful He is.. 
• No one should take advantage of these verses and commit nonsense and think that he is still a devotee. If he does not improve in his character by devotional service, then it is to be understood that he is not a high devotee.
• We should not overestimate our achievements in life, we should always be humble and meek. 
• The only qualification of a devotee is to be unflinchingly and exclusively engaged in devotional service.
• Everyone is eligible for the supreme destination
• Devotional service and the guidance of a pure devotee are so strong that there is no discrimination between the lower and higher classes of men; anyone can take to it. The most simple man taking shelter of the pure devotee can be purified by proper guidance.
  

SB 2.8.7 TRANSLATION:

O learned brāhmaṇa, the transcendental spirit soul is different from the material body. Does he acquire the body accidentally or by some cause? Will you kindly explain this, for it is known to you.

Mahārāja Parīkṣit, being a typical devotee, is not only satisfied by confirming the importance of hearing the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam from the representative of Brahmājī by disciplic succession, but he is still more anxious to establish the philosophical basis of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is the science of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and as such, all questions that may arise in the mind of a serious student must be cleared by the statements of the authority. A person on the path of devotional service may inquire from his spiritual master all about the spiritual position of God and the living beings. From the Bhagavad-gītā, as well as from the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, it is known that qualitatively the Lord and the living beings are one. The living being in the conditioned state of material existence is subjected to many transmigrations by continuous changing of the material body. But what are the causes of the material embodiment of the part and parcel of the Lord? Mahārāja Parīkṣit inquires about this very important matter for the benefit of all classes of candidates on the path of self-realization and devotional service to the Lord.

Indirectly it is confirmed that the Supreme Being, the Lord, makes no such material changes of body. He is spiritually whole, with no difference between His body and His soul, unlike the conditioned soul. The liberated living beings, who associate with the Lord in person, are also exactly like the Lord. Only the conditioned souls awaiting liberation are subjected to change of bodies. How was the process first begun?

In the process of devotional service, the first step is to take shelter of the spiritual master and then inquire from the spiritual master all about the process. This inquiry is essential for immunity to all kinds of offenses on the path of devotional service. Even if one is fixed in devotional service like Mahārāja Parīkṣit, he must still inquire from the realized spiritual master all about this. In other words, the spiritual master must also be well versed and learned so that he may be able to answer all these inquiries from the devotees. Thus one who is not well versed in the authorized scriptures and not able to answer all such relevant inquiries should not pose as a spiritual master for the matter of material gain. It is illegal to become a spiritual master if one is unable to deliver the disciple.

This is very interesting. 

Someone asked – Prabhu is it really necessary to only read the bhagavatam? There are

so many other books there’s a mana shiksha and there’s nectar of devotions nectar of instruction and other devotees books? What is the story here? The story here is the sages of naimisharanya discussed  for 1000’s of years  what is the best for the people in Kali yuga and came to the conclusion that Regular hearing SB is the best way. We are not saying that anything is wrong with the other books. 

SB  is the panacea (all encompassing cure for sense gratification, illusion, misery) for all the people of kali yuga.. We are going to hear SB till the last day. 

LA June 1st 1972 (https://vedabase.io/en/library/transcripts/720601sbla)

Prabhupāda: So this is the difference between sādhana-siddha and nitya-siddha.

So nitya-siddha means he has no chance to forget Kṛṣṇa. That is called nitya-siddha. And sādhana-siddha means by following the regulative principles, the rules and regulations, one revives his Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Both things are siddha, because you cannot revive Kṛṣṇa consciousness without being Kṛṣṇa conscious. It may be covered. So nitya-siddha means he does not get covered by the influence of material nature about his natural devotion tendency to serve Kṛṣṇa. He never becomes covered. This is the difference. Kṛṣṇa gives him chance to get birth in such a family, just like Parīkṣit Mahārāja, that he never gets the chance of forgetting Kṛṣṇa. So one who does not get the chance of forgetting Kṛṣṇa is called nitya-siddha. This is the difference.

And sādhana-siddha means one has forgotten Kṛṣṇa. That is the position of all materialistic men. Every one of us, forgotten. But even though forgotten, the thing is there. It has to be awakened only. And the awakening process is hearing.

This is also explained in Bg 13th chapter – 

BG 13.26 

Again there are those who, although not conversant in spiritual knowledge, begin to worship the Supreme Person upon hearing about Him from others. Because of their tendency to hear from authorities, they also transcend the path of birth and death.

Just like you are out of your family touch for many years. Practically you have forgotten. Now, if somebody comes to you, some friend, “Do you remember your child, when he came out, he was such little, and now he is grown-up? Now he’s this, that, so on,” if for some days this topics of the family is…, then again he becomes attracted = “Let me go and see.” It is natural.

Similarly, anyone who has forgotten Kṛṣṇa somehow or other—the cause may be so many—but if he is given chance to hear about Kṛṣṇa… Śṛṇvatāṁ sva-kathāḥ kṛṣṇaḥ.

As soon as somehow or other one begins to hear about Kṛṣṇa… Either by his natural inclination or by chance or any way, he comes to hear about Kṛṣṇa, attempts hearing about Kṛṣṇa, then, Kṛṣṇa is within everyone’s heart, Paramātmā, so Kṛṣṇa helps him immediately. Kṛṣṇa helps both ways. If you want to forget Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa will help you in that way, so that you will be able to forget Kṛṣṇa. Similarly, if you want to revive your lost relationship with Kṛṣṇa again, Kṛṣṇa will help you.

These things are stated in the Bhagavad-gītā. Teṣāṁ nityābhiyuktānām. Teṣāṁ satata-yuktānāṁ bhajatāṁ prīti-pūrvakam [Bg. 10.10]. One who is engaged twenty-four hours in rendering service to the Lord with faith and devotion, bhajatām… Bhajatām, this word is used. Bhaja, sevā, service. Bhaja sevayā. Every verbal root has got particular meaning. When this bhajatām, bhajana… Just we call bhajana. Bhajana means serving the Lord. So bhajatām, one who is engaged always, teṣāṁ nitya, satata-yuktānām, twenty-four hours he’s engaged, in that stage, Kṛṣṇa is become…, Kṛṣṇa is very pleased upon you = “No, now he has taken to My service. He’s engaged twenty-four hours. All right, let him give some instruction.”

So Kṛṣṇa is within you. So śṛṇvatāṁ sva-kathāḥ kṛṣṇaḥ puṇya-śravaṇa-kīrtanaḥ [SB 1.2.17]. One profit is, by hearing about Kṛṣṇa, he becomes gradually sinless, simply by hearing. Unless we are sinful, we don’t come into the material world. So we have to become sinless before going back to home, back to Godhead. Because kingdom of God… God is pure; the kingdom is pure. No impure living entity can enter there. So one has to become pure. That is also stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, yeṣām anta-gataṁ pāpam. “One who has completely been freed from all sinful reaction of his life,” yeṣāṁ anta-gataṁ pāpaṁ janānāṁ puṇya-karmaṇām, “and always engaged in pious activities, no more sinful activities.”

So this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is that once he’s given chance to erase all the sinful activities and keeping himself intact—no illicit sex, no intoxication, no meat-eating, no gambling—if we follow this regulation, then after initiation all my sins are washed off. And if I keep myself in that washed-off position, then where is the question of becoming sinful again? But once washed-off… You take your bath and again take the dust and throw on your body—that process will not help. If you say, “I’ll take again wash and again throw,” then what is the use of washing? Wash off. Once washed off, now keep yourself in that washed-off condition. That is required.

So that will be possible if you keep yourself constantly in touch with Kṛṣṇa by hearing about Him. That’s all. You have to remain uncontaminated. And that is puṇya-śravaṇa-kīrtanaḥ. If you hear about Kṛṣṇa, then puṇya, you will be always in pious position. Puṇya-śravaṇa-kīrtanaḥ. Either you chant or… Therefore our recommendation is always chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare. So we should be careful about our slipping down again into the sinful activities, and everyone should be careful and keep oneself in the chanting process. Then he’s all right.

And gradually, as you go on hearing about Kṛṣṇa, the all the dirty things within the heart will be cleansed. The dirty things are that “I am a material body.” “I am American,” “I am Indian,” “I am Hindu,” “I am Muslim,” “I am this,” “I am that.” These are all different types of covering of the soul. The uncovered soul is fully conscious that “I am eternal servant of God.” That’s all. One has no other identification. That is called mukti. When one comes to the understanding that “I am eternal servant of Kṛṣṇa, God, and my only business is to serve Him,” that is called mukti.

Mukti does not mean that you will have another two hands, another two legs. No. The same thing, simply it is cleansed. Just like a man is suffering from fever. The symptoms are so many, but as soon as the fever is not there, then all the symptoms gone. So our this fever in this material world is sense gratification. Sense gratification. This is the fever. So when we become engaged in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, this sense gratification business ceases. That is the difference. That is the test how you are becoming advanced in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Bhaktiḥ pareśānubhavo viraktir anyatra syāt [SB 11.2.42]. That is the test.

So… Because this disease is called bhava-roga… Bhava-roga means again and again taking birth. Bhava-roga. But if we take the medicine, bhavauṣadhi… Everything is there in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Bhava-roga, the disease of repeated birth and death in the material world, and the chanting of Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra is bhavauṣadhi, the medicine to cure this bhava-roga. Bhavauṣadhāc chrotra-mano-‘bhirāmāt, ka uttamaśloka-guṇānuvādāt virajyeta pumān vinā paśughnāt [SB 10.1.4]. Nivṛtta-tarṣair upagīyamānāt. There are very nice verses in Bhāgavatam. Nivṛtta-tarṣair upagīyamānāt. This chanting of the holy name of Kṛṣṇa, or God, is possible by a person who is disgusted with all these material activities. They can actually chant. That means mukta-puruṣa, liberated soul. It is… The chanting of Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra is the business of liberated soul, not for the conditioned soul. But even in our conditioned life we chant, we become gradually purified.Therefore it is recommended that everyone should chant. 

Never mind, nama oṁ apavitraḥ pavitro vā yaḥ smaret puṇḍarīkākṣam. Anyone who remembers the Puṇḍarīkākṣa… By chanting, you’ll remember. So nivṛtta-tarṣair upagīyamānād bhavauṣadhi. It is the medicine for our this bhava-roga, repeated birth and death. Such a nice thing. Nivṛtta-tarṣair upagīyamānād bhavauṣadhi chrotra-mano-‘bhirāmāt. Not only it is medicine… Medicine is always bitter. But it is not bitter. Mano ‘bhirāmāt: it is very pleasing to the mind, to the senses. Otherwise, how we become ecstatic in chanting unless it is pleasing? It is medicine, but pleasing medicine. Other medicines, they are very bitter. If you practice yoga, oh, you have to take so much labor. And that, you do not know whether you’ll be successful or not, haṭha-yoga. And if you take to jñāna, that also requires much education, much understanding of philosophy.

So they actually, although they are medicine, but they are bitter medicine. Not very palatable. Neither everyone can take it. A child cannot become a jñānī. A child cannot become a yogī. But a child can become a bhakta. Therefore this is the easiest process. Pleasing. Everyone is pleased to execute this process. Nivṛtta-tarṣair upagīyamānād bhavauṣadhi chrotra-mano-‘bhirāmāt [SB 10.1.4]. Mano-‘bhirāmāt. Even for ordinary men who wants to hear about conjugal love… They read therefore so many novel, fiction, dramas. What is that? The love affairs between one young man, one young girl. But that is also there, Kṛṣṇa, Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa. In that sense also, it is pleasing, even to the ordinary man.

So, mano ‘bhirāmāt, it is very pleasing. Nivṛtta-tarṣaiḥ… For philosophers it is also pleasing. We are talking all of philosophy in Bhāgavata. Nivṛtta-tarṣair upagīyamānād bhavauṣadhi chrotra-mano-‘bhirāmāt. Ka uttamaśloka-guṇānuvādāt. Uttamaśloka is Kṛṣṇa, who is worshiped by offering nice, selected ślokas, authorized. Just like we offer prayer, cintāmaṇi-prakara-sadmasu kalpa-vṛkṣa… [Bs. 5.29]. Each line is full of poetry, poetic and literary character, grammar. Anything you take, they’re all full. All Bhāgavata, all Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. You cannot produce such literature in this days, such meaningful. Because Vyāsadeva was incarnation, he could produce. Therefore it is uttamaśloka: by the best selected verses, Kṛṣṇa is described.

So who can be away from such activities, to hear about Uttamaśloka through nice verses, philosophy? Who can be bereft? Vinā paśughnāt [SB 10.1.4] = only the animal-hunter or the animal-killer. The animal-killer cannot understand. Therefore it is prohibited = no meat-eating, no flesh-eating. This is the greatest disqualification for understanding. One cannot understand. The animal-killer cannot understand. Therefore it has to be stopped. Vinā paśughnāt. Paśughnāt means… Ghna means killer, and paśu means animal. And another meaning is, paśu means oneself, living entity—ghna. So either one is killing himself or killing animals, such person cannot understand about the glories of the Lord. It is not possible. Parīkṣit Mahārāja said that, ka uttamaśloka-guṇānuvādāt virajyeta vinā paśughnāt. Only the animal-killer.

So, have kīrtana.

SB 2.1.5

tasmād bhārata sarvātmā

bhagavān īśvaro hariḥ

śrotavyaḥ kīrtitavyaś ca

smartavyaś cecchatābhayam

O descendant of King Bharata, one who desires to be free from all miseries must hear about, glorify and also remember the Personality of Godhead, who is the Supersoul, the controller and the savior from all miseries.

Only books about Krsna – BG & SB, transcendental pastimes of Krsna and His devotees. 

Help people understand – Krishna gives special dispensation. (Exemption of the rule, giving a loop hole)

Krishna has given Hari naam sankirtan.. 

If you want victory in this age – just chant Hare Krsna maha mantra.. 

Greatest quality of Kali Yuga.. just by chanting sincerely you can go back to Godhead.. 

• Even thinking good you get the result 
• Even if you think bad there is no affect, until you act bad
• Even if you do not get initiated and chant the holy name you get delivered. The holy name is so powerful..  Not to say that you should not get initiated.. we’re all coming from low backgrounds

Krsna is giving dispensation so that his devotees can go back to Him easily. But if one does not hear SB regularly, he does not even want to go back to Him. 

These 4 verses – Krishna is giving the dispensations – loop holes 

BG 9.30

shows how kind Krsna is

Even if one falls down if he is engages in DS he is 

Even if one commits the most abominable action, if he is engaged in devotional service he is to be considered saintly because he is properly situated in his determination.

One should not misuse this dispensation. Three strikes and you are out. NOT premeditated fall down, but only accidental fall downs.. 

On the other hand, one should not misunderstand that a devotee in transcendental devotional service can act in all kinds of abominable ways; this verse only refers to an accident due to the strong power of material connections. Devotional service is more or less a declaration of war against the illusory energy. As long as one is not strong enough to fight the illusory energy, there may be accidental falldowns. But when one is strong enough, he is no longer subjected to such falldowns, as previously explained. No one should take advantage of this verse and commit nonsense and think that he is still a devotee. If he does not improve in his character by devotional service, then it is to be understood that he is not a high devotee.

Example – Devotee who smoked marijuna to preach.. In Amsterdam.. 

Material energy is very powerful. 

One devotee who was always reading SP books.. Went to a mayavadi philosopher class and he converted to mayavadi philosophy.. Blown away by their quoting of BG verses.. 

We should not overestimate our achievements in life we should always be

humble and meek. 

And but preach yes we should preach but not think that we can conquer the whole

World – first we have to conquer our desire to have sense gratification that could take

a very very long time and once you do conquer that then still you would not go to places where people are openly violating the four regulative principles because

just witnessing such a thing makes you fallen already. 

Example – One devotee murdered another devotee. He was caught and was convicted and has been in jail for 40 years.. But he is a devotee, he is chanting nicely.. He is preaching nicely.. He got the just punishment he can never get out of Jail.. there is no reason to criticize him. 

Therefore a person who is situated in Kṛṣṇa consciousness and is engaged with determination in the process of chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare should be considered to be in the transcendental position, even if by chance or accident he is found to have fallen. The words sādhur eva, “he is saintly,” are very emphatic. They are a warning to the nondevotees that because of an accidental falldown a devotee should not be derided; he should still be considered saintly even if he has accidentally fallen down. And the word mantavyaḥ is still more emphatic. If one does not follow this rule, and derides a devotee for his accidental falldown, then one is disobeying the order of the Supreme Lord. The only qualification of a devotee is to be unflinchingly and exclusively engaged in devotional service.

BG 9.31

Even if a devotee accidentally falls he will quickly become righteous due to the cleansing process.. 

He quickly becomes righteous and attains lasting peace. O son of Kuntī, declare it boldly that My devotee never perishes.

This should not be misunderstood. In the Seventh Chapter the Lord says that one who is engaged in mischievous activities cannot become a devotee of the Lord. One who is not a devotee of the Lord has no good qualifications whatsoever. The question remains, then, How can a person engaged in abominable activities – either by accident or by intention – be a pure devotee? This question may justly be raised. The miscreants, as stated in the Seventh Chapter, who never come to the devotional service of the Lord, have no good qualifications, as is stated in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Generally, a devotee who is engaged in the nine kinds of devotional activities is engaged in the process of cleansing all material contamination from the heart. He puts the Supreme Personality of Godhead within his heart, and all sinful contaminations are naturally washed away. Continuous thinking of the Supreme Lord makes him pure by nature. According to the Vedas, there is a certain regulation that if one falls down from his exalted position he has to undergo certain ritualistic processes to purify himself. But here there is no such condition, because the purifying process is already there in the heart of the devotee, due to his remembering the Supreme Personality of Godhead constantly. Therefore, the chanting of Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare should be continued without stoppage. This will protect a devotee from all accidental falldowns. He will thus remain perpetually free from all material contaminations.

i can show you where prabhupada says even if one is committing offenses one

should not stop chanting but one should correct the offenses by getting help

from a senior devotee and continue chanting under no circumstances so one give up chanting but they should get help to chant purely

BG 9.32 

Everyone is eligible for the supreme destination

O son of Pṛthā, those who take shelter in Me, though they be of lower birth – women, vaiśyas [merchants] and śūdras [workers] – can attain the supreme destination.

Everyone is eligible for the supreme destination. In the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam (2.4.18) it is stated that even the lowest, who are called caṇḍālas (dog-eaters), can be purified by association with a pure devotee. Therefore devotional service and the guidance of a pure devotee are so strong that there is no discrimination between the lower and higher classes of men; anyone can take to it. The most simple man taking shelter of the pure devotee can be purified by proper guidance. 

so here’s a formula for success for all types of people people who are following

krishna consciousness people who were following but fell down and human

people who are not following if you simply become humble and take instruction and what is that instruction –  it’s hearing srimad-bhagavatam every day from genuine devotee or devotees and then of course = “engage your mind always in thinking of Me become My devotee offer obeisances to unto Me and worship me being completely absorbed in me surely you will come to me” 

if we just stick to the four regulative principles you’ll never have a problem if you rationalize well this is for preaching just like there was one sannyasi in ISKCON whenever he would see someone who could become his disciple he would give him a picture of his feet a photo of his feet put this on the altar and worshiped it you know so there was one girl that was doing that and she said maharaj i’ve been worshiping your feet every day it’s so wonderful it’s giving me so much spiritual advancement but i would like to actually massage your feet you know because i’m meditating on them all so he said okay so eventually he fell down how can a sanyasi accept that a girl can massage his feet?  but it was the feet first then the ankle this is all crazy stuff right by the way why is he giving a picture of his feet you know well is that going to help the girl you know it’s better she meditated on Srila Prabhupad right anyway here we see how one thing leads to another thing leads to another thing eventually they fall down so we should not play games with maya maya is stronger than us we just stick to the regulative principles and chanting hare krishna and hearing regularly and doing service then there won’t be any problem. That he overestimated

That devotee who smoked marijuna –  he overestimated his abilities

yeah he figured he was puffed up because he always chanting chanting  Hare Krsna everybody’s face all the time right you say something  like that he wouldn’t even answer you this is uh dangerous oh my god that’s called being puffed up now we should always be lower than the straw on the street then we won’t have a problem of what everybody has that krsna’s in the heart and we’re all originally with krishna go ahead Yes no they never fall down well they they come here because krsna sends them to spread krishna consciousness, the nithya siddhas have never fallen Down but sometimes one can be sent here to do special preaching to help those fallen Souls like arjuna arjuna never goes back to godhead it’s always in a material world with krishna preaching and teaching others how to be Krsna Conscious so some people they’re always liberated in the material world and some people Are liberating the spiritual world arjun is a very special devotee so anytime krishna appears anywhere in the material world he’s with him okay good.