KEY TAKEAWAYS FROM HH HARIVILAS MAHARAJ’S MORNING BHAGAVATAM CLASS ON SB 2.7.47 – Part 2 TODAY (11/02/21):
- The Supreme Lord is the Supreme Soul of everything, and therefore in the supreme conception affection is realized.
- The conception of affection is due to the relationship of soul to soul.
- A father is affectionate to his son because there is some relationship of nearness between the son and the father. But that sort of affection in the material world is full of limitations.
- When the Personality of Godhead is met, the fullness of affection becomes manifested because of the reality of the affectionate relationship.
- He is not the object of affection by material tinges of body and mind, but He is the full, naked, uncontaminated object of affection for all living entities because He is the Supersoul, or Paramātmā, within everyone’s heart.
- In the liberated state of affairs, the full-fledged affection for the Lord is awakened.
- Real affection – If someone teaches you how to stop suffering and attain an eternal body and go back to Godhead, then that is real affection.
- How Britishers destroyed the Faith and culture of India was discussed today.
- Lord Macaulay was sent to report how Indians can be governed nicely. So he reported that if you keep the Indians as Indians, you will never be able to govern them, because they are superior. You make propaganda that they are inferior, and they will imitate you.
- Britishers simply made propaganda that “Whatever you have got in India, this is all allegory, fiction. These śāstras are nothing. But now you are learning from us England’s work in India. That is your real… You are becoming civilized now.
- This propaganda is the cause of India’s cultural falldown. “England’s work in India.” That was a compulsory reading book in the schools. And in that book, it was simply stated that “We are uncivilized and since the Britishers have come, we are becoming civilized.”
- So the so-called Indian-educated, they took it seriously. Just like our Bon Mahārāja = English way of living, with fork and… Yes. He has taken it seriously. He is under impression, “Whatever is foreign.” In this way Indian culture was killed.
- The Muhammadans, they had no such idea. They wanted to rule over, that’s all. And the money was not going to outside. They were spending lavishly—in India. The money was in India, but these people, they’re dispersing all the money, jewels and everything valuable, outside India. So they became poverty-stricken, and culturally conquered.
SB 2.7.47 – 11/02/21
What is realized as the Absolute Brahman is full of unlimited bliss without grief. That is certainly the ultimate phase of the supreme enjoyer, the Personality of Godhead. He is eternally void of all disturbances and is fearless. He is complete consciousness as opposed to matter. Uncontaminated and without distinctions, He is the principle primeval cause of all causes and effects, in whom there is no sacrifice for fruitive activities and in whom the illusory energy does not stand.
The Supreme Lord is the Supreme Soul of everything, and therefore in the supreme conception affection is realized. The conception of affection is due to the relationship of soul to soul. A father is affectionate to his son because there is some relationship of nearness between the son and the father. But that sort of affection in the material world is full of limitations. When the Personality of Godhead is met, the fullness of affection becomes manifested because of the reality of the affectionate relationship. He is not the object of affection by material tinges of body and mind, but He is the full, naked, uncontaminated object of affection for all living entities because He is the Supersoul, or Paramātmā, within everyone’s heart. In the liberated state of affairs, the full-fledged affection for the Lord is awakened.
The Supreme Lord is present as paramatma in everyone’s heart. What is real affection and the facsimile of real affection. What we are seeing here is not the real thing. It is just like a shadow.. The shadow indicates that there is a real thing somewhere. What we see here is the shadow perverted reflection. Whenever we see anything in relationship with Krsna we will see the new thing. The affection between father and son is a bodily relationship. Under a state of illusion we only want ignorance. Most of the relations in the material world is body to body and not soul to soul.
Without understanding the difference between body and soul there is no spiritual progress. Inebrity – (Habitual intoxication) starts when one accepts the illusion as real.
Real affection – If someone teaches you how to stop suffering and attain an eternal body and go back to Godhead, then that is real affection.
Example – One person;s father passed away and his lesson to him before leaving his body, after living 80 years of life – no one can take education from you and your family from you. This is bodily instruction and it is false and not the Truth.
Education – Drona; Family – Bhishma – these are the greatest impediments for one to progress in a spiritual path.
Tinges – color slightly.. SP is belittling to the extreme point.
BG 13.8-12 – we are not against family
As for detachment from children, wife and home, it is not meant that one should have no feeling for these. They are natural objects of affection. But when they are not favorable to spiritual progress, then one should not be attached to them. The best process for making the home pleasant is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. If one is in full Kṛṣṇa consciousness, he can make his home very happy, because this process of Kṛṣṇa consciousness is very easy. One need only chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare, accept the remnants of foodstuffs offered to Kṛṣṇa, have some discussion on books like Bhagavad-gītā and Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, and engage oneself in Deity worship. These four things will make one happy. One should train the members of his family in this way. The family members can sit down morning and evening and chant together Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa Kṛṣṇa, Hare Hare/ Hare Rāma, Hare Rāma, Rāma Rāma, Hare Hare. If one can mold his family life in this way to develop Kṛṣṇa consciousness, following these four principles, then there is no need to change from family life to renounced life.
What is real knowledge? It is explained in BG 13.8-12. Real Knowledge is when one knows that the body is different from the Soul. There is a soul and supreme soul in every body and the relationship between the soul and the super soul.. Today they do not believe that there is a soul. “Psychology today” well written article by a man called Lanza.. He talks about the modern concept of soul.. “Soul is treated as a poetic synonym for the mind. Soul can be learnt by studying the functioning of the soul… “What is wisdom – Vijnana – you understand the relation between atma and paramatma and understand that everything is coming from Krsna.. And engaging in devotional service is real wisdom. Definition of wisdom is so shallow and incomplete and SRILA PRABHUPADA defines words in his texts,
TRANSCRIPT – (https://vedabase.io/en/library/transcripts/720928mwla/)
Morning Walk LA 1972, LA
Prabhupāda: Yes, propaganda. That is the cause of India’s cultural falldown. These Britishers simply made propaganda that “Whatever you have got in India, this is all allegory, fiction. These śāstras are nothing. But now you are learning from us England’s work in India. That is your real… You are becoming civilized now.
Otherwise, you are in the utopia, and all these śāstras, throw it out.” Because that was Lord Macaulay’s policy.Lord Macaulay was sent to report how Indians can be governed nicely. So he reported that if you keep the Indians as Indians, you will never be able to govern them, because they are superior. You make propaganda that they are inferior, and they will imitate you, and then you can… That they did.
Jayatīrtha: The Indians would never be able to compete on the Britishers’ platform.
Prabhupāda: No. It was under the British rule, from the childhood they are subjected to the propaganda. We read one book, small book, by M. Ghose. The subject matter was “England’s work in India.” That was a compulsory reading book in the schools. And in that book, it was simply stated that “We are uncivilized and since the Britishers have come, we are becoming civilized.” This is the subject matter of that book, “England’s work in India.” So everything Indian… The Jawaharlal is the typical example—“Everything Indian is bad.” That was his philosophy. Gandhi was trying to get the Indians back to village. His philosophy was that these capitalists, they are exploiting these poor men, so all these poor men, they should go back to village and be satisfied with the village economy, not to come out. Actually that’s a very nice program. But as soon as Gandhi died, or he was killed, the whole program was changed—industrialization, and attract the poor man, and let them live in wretched condition of city life. Gandhi’s policy was to make them happy by agriculture in the village, produce their own cloth, not in the mill but in charka.
Jayatīrtha: Spinning wheel.
Prabhupāda: Spinning wheel, they were spinning thread. Simple life and moralist. No drinking of ghee… tea, no smoking, and raghupati rāghava rāja rāma. This was his program. Hindu-Muslim unity. But all his programs failed. He died very dissatisfied.
Jayatīrtha: Why did they fail?
Prabhupāda: Because his disciples, they had a different program. They wanted politics like the Western countries. They did not want… Just like all the politician, they do not want anything good for the people. They simply want to make some money for their expenses. That’s all. This is the whole policy of the modern diplomats and politicians. They do not know; you go to hell. Other way, in your country you see so many young men are frustrated.
HOW BRITISHERS BREAK DOWN INDIA
https://vedabase.io/en/library/transcripts/760803r2nmr
ROOM Conversation
Date: Aug. 3, 1976
Harikeśa: Tomatoes don’t grow in India?
Prabhupāda: No. It was imported. Because it was imported, they would not touch. These mill cloth, because they were imported, it would…, no gentleman will touch. No religious function would allow to use mill-made cloth. And so far medicine is concerned, they would never touch it. This is the difficulty. Then Macaulay sent a confidential report that if you want to keep Indians as Indian, you’ll never be able to do like that. Then they will gradually introduce all this nonsense—drinking tea, drinking wine. “You are uncivilized. Whatever British are doing, they are civilized way.” England’s work in India. And they were given facilities, those who were English-educated. In this way, they first of all tried to make the whole Indian population Anglici… Not possible to all. At least, those who are educated. So the so-called Indian-educated, they took it seriously. Just like our Bon Mahārāja = English way of living, with fork and… Yes. He has taken it seriously. He is under impression, “Whatever is foreign.” In this way Indian culture was killed. The Muhammadans, they had no such idea. They wanted to rule over, that’s all. And the money was not going to outside. They were spending lavishly—in India. The money was in India, but these people, they’re dispersing all the money, jewels and everything valuable, outside India. So they became poverty-stricken, and culturally conquered.
Bon Maharaj – the first disciple of BhaktiSiddhanta Saraswati Thakur..who was sent to London to preach. BSST funded him 700 rupees to go to London. He stayed there for 4 years and then came back not even making one disciple and then told BSST that his process did not work and insulted him. Bon Maharaj was the same level as Aurobindo. He was very sophisticated and was number 1 disciple until that disaster. He was very philosophical, highly educated in British education system.. That caused the failure.
People are thinking that there are no rules. That is how ignorant that people became. This is all due to Brahmanas not educating the masses.
Meat eating is a norm mainstream for many Hindus. They attend muslim functions so they can get to eat meat. The culture got degraded.
We are all having corruption due to the education we had, but by hearing everyday the corruption is decreasing. One has to be willing to do this.
Muslims are straight and they tell you.. But Britsh are very scary they got into the minds of Indians and destroyed the faith of the Indians in Scriptures and their culture.
BG 8.9 (Krsna is present as supreme soul in every living entity and atom)
As the Supreme, He can enter into the atom and into the heart of the smallest and control him as the Supersoul. Although so small, He is still all-pervading and is maintaining everything. By Him all these planetary systems are sustained. We often wonder how these big planets are floating in the air. It is stated here that the Supreme Lord, by His inconceivable energy, is sustaining all these big planets and systems of galaxies. The word acintya (“inconceivable”) is very significant in this connection. God’s energy is beyond our conception, beyond our thinking jurisdiction, and is therefore called inconceivable (acintya). Who can argue this point? He pervades this material world and yet is beyond it. We cannot comprehend even this material world, which is insignificant compared to the spiritual world – so how can we comprehend what is beyond? Acintya means that which is beyond this material world, that which our argument, logic and philosophical speculation cannot touch, that which is inconceivable. Therefore intelligent persons, avoiding useless argument and speculation, should accept what is stated in scriptures like the Vedas, Bhagavad-gītā and Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam and follow the principles they set down. This will lead one to understanding.